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No. 10306 ID: c128ad hide expand quickreply [Reply]
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>> No. 10316 ID: 2512f5

I dunno, I think Ronnie might be a little more accomplished than Sage.
>> No. 10321 ID: db4187

No argument here.
>> No. 10322 ID: af0515
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>Does this count as animal abuse?

Yes. You should treat your feline overlords with more respect.
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You gotta love how they're sitting there having a conversation about how having a kid destroys your life... in front of their kid.
>> No. 11456 ID: f2b891
Are you surprised? I think I remember you referring to this as a trainwreck of a marriage.
>> No. 11463 ID: 260373

Or a trainwreck of a comic, at least. I cannot help but think that it is in some way Greg Dean's desperate cry for help that his marriage has destroyed his life, in any event. He had to do a hamfisted plot twist to get friends back into his comic-self's life, with constant lampshading of the fact that they are not, in fact, still in his real life.

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I was doing some thinking this morning about some of the issues I've developed with Calvin & Hobbes as I've grown older and my views have developed beyond those of a wide-eyed imaginative child like Calvin was. As I was pondering the issues that Watterson had with the syndicates and what some of those issues were, I came to a realization.

Basically, if you stop assuming for just a moment that Watterson was infallibly right in everything he did in fighting for Calvin & Hobbes, and that there were two sides to the issue... he winds up looking like a gigantic prick.

No, listen, hear me out. I'm not even going to touch on the whole anti-merchandising and anti-commercialism things, though I could. This one is almost strictly related to Watterson's fight for artistic control... specifically, his fight that Calvin & Hobbes sunday strips be printed exactly as he laid them out, so that he could feel free to exercise his artistic freedom with the sweeping grandeur of intro panels, whole-panel art, and so on and so forth.

Now, it's easy to see this as a principled fight for art against a faceless syndicate that was demanding more soulless drivel in exactly the same format as everyone else to pander to the mewling sheeple that read all the other comics but Calvin & Hobbes. After all, Watterson's Sunday strips are works of art... very few people would deny that. I'm certainly not, they're gorgeous, amazing to look at. Whatever else he is, Watterson is a talented writer and artist, and those Sunday strips show off some of his best stuff.

But let's take a moment here. Let's take this out of the realm of "principled artist fighting for the preservation of beauty against a faceless corporate machine". Let's instead put this in the realm of two parties who are at odds with each other. Party A and Party B.

Party A wants his comic to be shown exactly as he did it. He objects to a collection of exactly-sized panels and a possibly throwaway leadin panel because he feels they restrict his artistic freedom. He wants to be able to lay out his panels any way he wants, and he wants it printed exactly the way he did it, because that's how, to his mind, it should be presented, and anything less is not honoring his art or his effort.

Now, let's look at things from Party B's perspective. Party B is responsible for putting comics in newspapers. But not all newspapers lay out their comic pages the same... especially their Sunday comics. Some are laid out exactly like the rest of the newspaper, with all the room in the world to assemble a jigsaw of different comics and other amusements to fill the space. Some are odd thin things half the width of the rest of the newspaper page but with the same length. Others are almost comic-book-like affairs, the size of inserts or circulars. The reason Party B needs comics to conform to a certain panel layout and have that possibly throwaway title panel is so that all these different newspapers with all their different comic page layouts can easily rearrange the comics to fit. If one needs to go vertical, that's okay, the panels are a uniform size, it can go vertical in two columns instead of horizontal in four. This allows the whole "jigsaw" to function.

So what actually happens when Party A gets what it wants from Party B? Well, Party A's comic can no longer be rearranged any which way to fit on the diverse comic pages, it actually has to go on there exactly as it is. So Party C, who's responsible for his newspaper's comics page, has to put in the extra work to work around all that. There's now a big solid chunk of his elaborate jigsaw that can only be shifted in place instead of arranged to fit. Maybe that means he has to compromise the size of one of the other comics... maybe it's Party A's comic, maybe it's Party D's comic. Maybe the only possible solution is to remove one of the comics. Maybe it's Party A's, maybe it's Party D's. Either way, Party A or Party D loses out. Maybe Party A would rather lose the slot than compromise... but alas for his fans, who now don't get to see Party A's work at all. And just go ahead and fuck Party D and his fans if it's his comic that gets tossed, he was probably a compromising shill anyway.
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>> No. 11373 ID: 6988a3

Certainly, he doesn't have an obligation to anyone but himself.

But I think you're the first person ever to argue that Bill Watterson is an Objectivist.
>> No. 11375 ID: 6121dd
A short interview with Bill Watterson:


"Had you "lost" those battles, it appears you would have ended the strip. It reminds me of Howard Roark and his desire to blow up his building rather than see it molested by other hands."

Make that two.

Interview may be a little to friendly for some tastes, but it's an interesting look at his arguments.

It also includes his own reason for why he's not producing:

"According to your collection introductions, you took up painting after the strip ended. Why don’t you exhibit the work?

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>> No. 11376 ID: 7f7d06
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But if he's content to do it for himself, why the fight to bring his art to the masses untouched and unspoiled before? If sharing his work unfiltered and uncensored was so important then, why does just doodling with paint suit him now? What changed?

Honestly if I had to venture a reason, I think it's that there were no more battles to fight. He'd "beaten the syndicates into submission" (IE made them realize they still made money on him even if they caved to his demands), so they weren't fighting him at every turn. His strip was near-universally beloved, there was no one picketing the newspapers trying to call Calvin a bad influence. There was no more battle to be waged, no righteous fight to fight, nothing he could do to say "Look at me, I'm clawing tooth and nail for art!" because he wasn't. He'd won. He'd gotten everything he wanted. And then he realized that what he'd wanted was to fight. There was no fight left to getting what he wanted from comics, and there's certainly no fight against him in the art world, anyone he called up would be almost sure to say "Of course we'd love to display your work! How big do you want it, what sort of light, what order does it need to be in...?"

Honestly, lately whenever I think of Bill Watterson, I don't think of Calvin's dad... I think of Bob Hoskins in Michael. I imagine him saying the same thing Hoskins' character said to his employee/nemesis at the end, as Watterson hangs up the phone after another call of the syndicate "stooge" agreeing to everything he said:

"Who's gonna fight with me now?"
>> No. 11377 ID: 6121dd

Maybe he couldn't produce anything he thought was as good? I get the impression that Calvin and Hobbes was like catching lightning in a bottle for him.

He also seems to be self aware enough to know that whatever he does, he's going to be doing it as the creator of Calvin and Hobbes. Which could be why he's not exhibiting or selling his paintings; they'd just be slightly esoteric Calvin and Hobbes merch, rather than artworks in and of themselves.

It did remind me of this:

That Mitchell and Webb Look - Neil Armst...youtube thumb

As sort of the flip side of Watterson's behaviour.

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>Unfortunately, in recent months, DC has asked us to alter or completely discard many long-standing storylines in ways that we feel compromise the character and the series. We were told to ditch plans for Killer Croc’s origins; forced to drastically alter the original ending of our current arc, which would have defined Batwoman’s heroic future in bold new ways; and, most crushingly, prohibited from ever showing Kate and Maggie actually getting married.

>All of these editorial decisions came at the last minute, and always after a year or more of planning and plotting on our end.

You ever get the sense that DC’s head honchos have no idea that the fuck they’re doing any more?
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>> No. 11010 ID: cf7c30

How utterly lame.

Though Amanda Conner on board for Harley Quinn? I'm down for it.
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>> No. 11014 ID: 63a63f
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That's one of the problems, yes.

Another problem: DC's basically auditioning new artists by asking them to draw Harley preparing to commit suicide four times over (with the whole ‘naked in a bathtub’ thing standing out because duh). Whatever bullshit DC higher-ups want to spew about ‘oh it’s a page full of Harley breaking the fourth wall and commenting about how the writers think she wants to kill herself’ doesn’t do them any favors in looking creepy by asking for that. (And yes, allegedly, one of the contest collaborators did say something to that effect. See the attached image, which I found at http://oheysteenz.tumblr.com/post/60457805482/)

Oh, and it also doesn’t help that they set up this little ‘audition’ just before Suicide Prevention Week.
>> No. 11029 ID: 5602d2
Apparently the whole Harley kerfuffle is happening because whoever wrote the description for the contest left out the part where it had to be wacky dark humor, and to filter out the artists who "don't get it".


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If you've been around art sites lately, you've probably seen that comic promoting non-capitalist artistic individualism, which of course completely bites Bill Watterson's style in the process.

And while I still hold to the opinion that, generally, David Willis is a twat, in this rebuttal he definitely nails it out of the park.
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>> No. 11006 ID: 63a63f

Alan Moore?
>> No. 11007 ID: 260373

No, he's more of a sacred cow to /co/.
>> No. 11008 ID: 63a63f

Well, I got nothin’ else, then.
>> No. 11009 ID: 260373

Sage. Go look up "rhetorical question".

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>> No. 10800 ID: a51f9b

Trolling the fans maybe?
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>> No. 10925 ID: 900d99
WataMote Ending 1 Full - どう考えて...youtube thumb

I swear, the ending wouldn't be anywhere near as interesting if it wasn't actually her singing along.
>> No. 10926 ID: f8b647
I know right. It's so much more hilarious and adorable hearing all her pained, frustrated little cadences coming across in the lyrics. And when it comes to songs in a foreign language, hearing such clear expressiveness in the singer's voice really helps folks like me comprehend and enjoy it all.

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>> No. 10903 ID: 23961a
Isn't that supposed to be just younger version of Lobo? May not hang around for long. Still, this is pure bullshit, it's like DC just stopped caring about pissing off what little fans they have and just decided to toss whatever ideas they can to drag in new readers kicking and screaming.
>> No. 10904 ID: eae22d
Oh, but they don't want new or young readers, they said so themselves that they make comics for 45-year-old men.
>> No. 10905 ID: 260373

It's really hard to believe they're not trolling, sometimes, because this is just so similar to the whole "New Dante" thing.
>> No. 10906 ID: 6121dd

Coelasquid has been spotted drinking heavily and trying go get an angry mob together.

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New Las Lindas thread? New Las Lindas thread.
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>> No. 10777 ID: eae22d
Also have to wonder what Rach is saying "How about NO" in response to.
>> No. 10779 ID: 7812a2

A request for a yuri drawing with her and another character, IIRC
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Ayah Meditating
>> No. 10815 ID: eae22d
Time for a new thread, this one's hit its bump limit.

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New comic, new thread.
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>> No. 10700 ID: 72d92f
I feel like I'm the only one who never liked Achewood. I guess I never "got" it.
>> No. 10701 ID: 2c8b02

I love Achewood, though some of the odd decisions it's made through the years have been a little alienating. The decision to abandon the comic to try for an animated series also sits badly for me... I really, really don't think it will work as a cartoon. So much of it is in unique visual cues you can't really represent in motion and lines that just can't be delivered properly verbally (Ray will either come off as black or a wannabe, as opposed to just being a slightly odd guy "from the streets", stuff like that).

I love Achewood but I think the creator's lost his grip.


That's fairly understandable, Achewood's an odd duck. Of course, I think that's one of the things that wound up endearing it to me... it's both funny and very strangely touching, and there's not really anything else even a little bit like it.
>> No. 10703 ID: f8b647
Yeah, I pretty much feel the same way. A friend turned me into it about a year ago and I read most of it, from the very beginning. I think just that very first short strip with Philippe standing on the manual pulled me in; that's just the kind of strange but unashamed humour that I loved most about the comic.
I never followed it too devotedly though, never really saw or read any of the side-publications or such, and I actually had no idea that Onstad intended to make a cartoon of it. But yeah, that would be a bad idea; it just wouldn't translate well, because frankly, Achewood only works as a webcomic in my opinion, for much those same reasons you just gave, Sechs.
At the best of times it has story arcs like The Great Outdoor Fight that are weird, surprisingly deep in its' own lore, well paced and rich in relevant character insight, but it's definitely not for everyone.
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> rabble-rabble

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Since the other thread was one post away from the bump limit, it's time for a new thread.

Any excuse not to think about it, eh Elliot?
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>Because attacking would set off her guardian form.

>> No. 10615 ID: 579f34
Or perhaps indirectly attacking her friends counts.
>> No. 10616 ID: 7df659
Letting him just walk off would have been anticlimactic. Thus this was the dramatically appropriate time for her to get her magic back and use the guardian form spell, like she said earlier.
>> No. 10621 ID: 579f34
I had a thought. Maybe Ellen can clone Nanase's angel form and we could have some double angel action.

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